Hello all....we used to have all kinds of problems with
Band A
blowing out Band B in the high power rovers. We were using the big
TE brick amplifiers for all bands. What we finally figured out was
"key one, key all". We fixed a single relay connected to all the
amps in such a way that if any band was keyed, they were all
keyed. Then any power coupled from Band A to Band B would just
travel down the coax to the big output transistors of the TE
amps.....those could not be blown by a few watts of coupled power,
so the problem was solved.
There may be something wrong with this solution, but it seemed to
work FB for the rovers that we had out....
GL es 73 Marshall K5QE
On 3/11/2016 2:25 PM, David Anderson wrote:
Hello Chris, You raise a point that I was
pondering with here, as I
intend to put up a stack of 50/144/432 Yagis (one per band). The
coupling will have to be measured, because I will have 2 radio
front ends and 2 preamps to protect from the RF on the other bands.
(This is not specifically for EME, instead terrestrial mainly). In
the past on 144MHz EME I always used separate TX and RX feed lines,
which simplified things to an extent, though I did once blow a
front end because I had insufficient isolation on the main
changeover relay and the preamp was bypassed, but the front end was
not disconnected on transmit. Once I fitted another relay on the
front end that cured that. I have a good low pass filter on 144 on
the output of the PA, but the problem still would be that the
coupled power at 144 would or could overload the 432 preamp or
front end. I suppose some form of interlock could be devised
similar to your switching other rigs to TX to prevent this problem.
I do have cavity bandpass filters for 144 and 432 that I could use
in the shack ahead of the receivers but I was hoping to avoid them
as they do introduce loss, admittedly after the preamp and they
have to be suitable for the low level transmit power, about 3 watts
which is no problem. I won't even have the preamps fitted to start
with as I have a run of low loss feedline which makes 144 weak
signal work possible without a masthead preamp as the transverter
has a low enough NF. I am curious to know what others do, there
must be many others with Christmas tree stacks on VHF/UHF with
multiple rigs. I won't be running QRO on 432 or 50 to start with,
though I do on 144, so it is mainly the 432 front end that I am
worried about protecting. I read that a lot of times peamp devices
go slightly bad, but don't blow completely when subjected to high
levels of RF (G4DDK has experience of this recently with his VLNA
and has blogged about it). So I guess it comes down to trying to
reduce the coupling between antennas, then if the level is still
unsafe, either bandpass filtering the front ends without degrading
the noise figure by adding more loss, or having suitable relays to
disconnect the antennas from the front ends while transmitting on
the other bands. Let's hear from other VHF UHF contesters/rovers -
what do you do? You may want to reply privately as this may be OT
for EME, but maybe not. 73 David GM4JJJ
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 at 01:02, Christopher E. Brown
<<mailto:cbrown@woods.net>cbrown@woods.net> wrote:
What I would really love to find is wider TX capable bandpass
filters that are low loss
for whole band on 6M, 2M, 70cm
My "weak signal" setup is HOA limited, and I run 3 seperate radios,
meaning strong
coupling between antennas on those bands is a major issue.
I can of course place a RX only filter in front of pre-amp, but I
really need to place
upstream of pre-amp relays to protect radio as well (I currently
have to power off
pre-amps and switch to gnd both other rigs to TX as I do not like
hiting pre-amp or radio
with +20dbm or more.
Something like < .2db 50-54 -60db or better at 2M and 440 and
capable of handling say 1KW
and similar for 144-148 and 420-450 would make my day, because so
far my attempts to build
have not turned out so well.
On 3/10/2016 12:30 PM, Dual wrote:
Thank you Lance, Paul and others
I just made outdoor variant. Good to put on tower near antenna and LNA.
<http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com/Band-Pass-Filter/6m-Bandpass-Filter-BPF>http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com/Band-Pass-Filter/6m-Bandpass-Filter-BPF
73 Goran Yu1CF
<<http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com>http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com>http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com
On 03.03.2016 02:25, Lance Collister wrote:
> It looks like these would be especially valuable for use during
HF
DXpeditions with lots
> of QRO HF transmitters all around an EME
station trying to copy
weak signals....
I'm using the 144-146 MHz filters at my home QTH and they are
very good. My
preamps are
no longer saturated by out of band strong
(broadcast)
signals. I brought a spectrum
analyzer home to look at my local RF environment
and was amazed
to see near in out if band
signal +50 db hotter than my EME band noise.
After installing the 144-146 filter - out of band junk was
substantial reduced
(per
spectrum analyzer plots) and MAP65 was very
happy. IQ+ / MAP65
rx noise levels dropped 20
db but more traces are visible (decode) at much
lower levels.
This is my glowing review. Filter A++
73 - Paul - W2HRO
> On 3/2/2016 23:41, Dual wrote:
>> Maybe someone will find interesting.
>>>
>>> Low loss (0.11 dB) Bandpass filter for 50 - 51 MHz
>>>
<http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com/Band-Pass-Filter/50MHz-Bandpass-Filter-BPF>http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com/Band-Pass-Filter/50MHz-Bandpass-Filter-BPF
>>
>> 73 Goran YU1CF
>> <http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com>http://www.antennas-amplifiers.com
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