Again thanks to the group for the great ideas. The number one take away for me was the fact that the total phase harness loss is only the loss associated with one leg of the harness. Knowing that makes the effort involved to reduce the phase harness loss by coax upgrade basically a mute point. Paul, KG7HF ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Decker <kg7hf(a)comcast.net> To: moon-net(a)mailman.pe1itr.com Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:20:35 -0000 (UTC) Subject: phasing harness Again, thanks to everyone for even more input, I'm trying to gather new ideas to squeeze every bit I can out of my system. A couple people have commented on my 2m array using 50' phasing harness. Perhaps I have made a mistake so I will explain how I come up with 50'. a 2m 4 x 12 with 4 meter spacing both H and V fed from the back that would make each cable roughly 12 feet, 6 feet down to the center, and 6 feet across to the middle. 12ft x 4 antennas is 48 AKA 50'. Now of course I could go diagnolly which would be about 8.5' x 4 which is 35 feet. Then, you still need a single run from the rear center down the center of the boom, which will be roughly another 4 or 5 meters to the tower mast Did I make a simple mistake here? Paul